In a message dated 7/26/2004 9:09:12 PM Central Standard Time,
davyschris@aol.com writes:

The other day I was at the samp store, looking for a pad for an upcoming
box.
I saw one that I thought was absolutely perfect, but the woman at the store
told me that for letterboxing, pigment pads were a no-no. She said they can
bleed onto the page behind them and they don't dry fast enough.

Since them, I've been looknig at the pads in the boxes I've found, and
they're predominantly pigment. I haven't had any problems with them.

Does anyone have any ideas on this issue?



>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Being into making my own cards and such, I would think archival ink would be
the best bet.
It's quick drying, fade resistant, waterproof, permanent.

Dye ink is fast drying too but it's not too fade resistant and it's not
waterproof.

For what it's worth, archival inkpads should be stored upside down. So
should dye inkpads. Pigment inkpads should be stored right side up.

Pippi L & my Superior Species Companions


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Personally I prefer pigment. Yes they take a little longer to dry,
but blow on the image a few seconds and it's fine. I never had it
bleed through the page though. Dye ink seems sort of blobby to me,
whereas I always get a crisp image with pigment. Plus I read
somewhere that pigment lasts longer. Still, I think it's a matter of
personal preference.

Does a pigment go "oinkment"?

Dave
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Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 10:31 PM
Subject: [LbNA] Re: Pigments vs. ink


Personally I prefer pigment. Yes they take a little longer to dry,
but blow on the image a few seconds and it's fine. I never had it
bleed through the page though. Dye ink seems sort of blobby to me,
whereas I always get a crisp image with pigment. Plus I read
somewhere that pigment lasts longer. Still, I think it's a matter of
personal preference.


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--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "dave & diane"
wrote:
> Does a pigment go "oinkment"?

So that's what that noise is every time I stamp down on the inkpad!!!

I just want to know where they found a store clerk who knows what
letterboxing is.


--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, CountdownTo55@a... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 7/26/2004 9:09:12 PM Central Standard Time,
> davyschris@a... writes:
>
> The other day I was at the samp store, looking for a pad for an
upcoming
> box.
> I saw one that I thought was absolutely perfect, but the woman at
the store
> told me that for letterboxing, pigment pads were a no-no. She
said they can
> bleed onto the page behind them and they don't dry fast enough.
>
> Since them, I've been looknig at the pads in the boxes I've found,
and
> they're predominantly pigment. I haven't had any problems with
them.
>
> Does anyone have any ideas on this issue?
>
>
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
> Being into making my own cards and such, I would think archival ink
would be
> the best bet.
> It's quick drying, fade resistant, waterproof, permanent.
>
> Dye ink is fast drying too but it's not too fade resistant and it's
not
> waterproof.
>
> For what it's worth, archival inkpads should be stored upside
down. So
> should dye inkpads. Pigment inkpads should be stored right side
up.
>
> Pippi L & my Superior Species Companions
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

The advantage of using pigment is that it is waterproof. If you
stamp dye ink in a letterbox's logbook and the logbook gets wet,
well, goodbye stamp.

Pigment will take a little longer to dry, but I've found that it
varies depending on the type of paper.

CPAScott

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, davyschris@a... wrote:
> The other day I was at the samp store, looking for a pad for an
upcoming box.
> I saw one that I thought was absolutely perfect, but the woman at
the store
> told me that for letterboxing, pigment pads were a no-no. She
said they can
> bleed onto the page behind them and they don't dry fast enough.
>
> Since them, I've been looknig at the pads in the boxes I've found,
and
> they're predominantly pigment. I haven't had any problems with
them.
>
> Does anyone have any ideas on this issue?

As long as I have minimal encounters with the metallic inks, I'm a
happy letterboxer.

Buddy

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "cpascott"
wrote:
> The advantage of using pigment is that it is waterproof. If you
> stamp dye ink in a letterbox's logbook and the logbook gets wet,
> well, goodbye stamp.
>
> Pigment will take a little longer to dry, but I've found that it
> varies depending on the type of paper.
>
> CPAScott
>
> --- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, davyschris@a... wrote:
> > The other day I was at the samp store, looking for a pad for an
> upcoming box.
> > I saw one that I thought was absolutely perfect, but the woman
at
> the store
> > told me that for letterboxing, pigment pads were a no-no. She
> said they can
> > bleed onto the page behind them and they don't dry fast enough.
> >
> > Since them, I've been looknig at the pads in the boxes I've
found,
> and
> > they're predominantly pigment. I haven't had any problems with
> them.
> >
> > Does anyone have any ideas on this issue?

> I just want to know where they found a store clerk who knows what
> letterboxing is.

Actually, I've been finding it more and more common that the folks
working at the rubber stamp stores know about letterboxing. They
may not be letterboxers nor know all the ins and outs of
letterboxing, but they generally *have* heard of it at this point.
At least they have in the stamp stores I've been hitting.

-- Ryan

Ah, yes, we came across a logbook recently with black pages ...
requiring us to stamp the book with the metallic ink in the
letterbox. This wasn't a problem except that the metallic ink was
now all over our personal stamps and it took many stampings with the
ink we normally use to get the original color back. :-(
Unfortunately, the metallic ink was pigment and thus didn't wash off
the stamp.

In some cases, however, we've found the metallic inks to be rather
neat -- and appropriate for the stamp image. They do seem to be
popular, though!


CPAScott


--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "buddyandpigtographer"
wrote:
> As long as I have minimal encounters with the metallic inks, I'm a
> happy letterboxer.
>
> Buddy
>
> --- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "cpascott" letterbox@c...>
> wrote:
> > The advantage of using pigment is that it is waterproof. If you
> > stamp dye ink in a letterbox's logbook and the logbook gets wet,
> > well, goodbye stamp.
> >
> > Pigment will take a little longer to dry, but I've found that it
> > varies depending on the type of paper.
> >
> > CPAScott
> >
> > --- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, davyschris@a... wrote:
> > > The other day I was at the samp store, looking for a pad for
an
> > upcoming box.
> > > I saw one that I thought was absolutely perfect, but the
woman
> at
> > the store
> > > told me that for letterboxing, pigment pads were a no-no. She
> > said they can
> > > bleed onto the page behind them and they don't dry fast enough.
> > >
> > > Since them, I've been looknig at the pads in the boxes I've
> found,
> > and
> > > they're predominantly pigment. I haven't had any problems
with
> > them.
> > >
> > > Does anyone have any ideas on this issue?

Having been a stamper for years prior to letterboxing....

Pigment inks are only permanent after being heated with a heating
tool. Pigment is a thicker ink as opposed to dye based ink which
leaves a crisper image. I stay away from pigment because because of
the heat/permanency issue. :) Just my $.02 worth!
Beedle

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, davyschris@a... wrote:
> The other day I was at the samp store, looking for a pad for an
upcoming box.
> I saw one that I thought was absolutely perfect, but the woman at
the store
> told me that for letterboxing, pigment pads were a no-no. She
said they can
> bleed onto the page behind them and they don't dry fast enough.
>
> Since them, I've been looknig at the pads in the boxes I've found,
and
> they're predominantly pigment. I haven't had any problems with
them.
>
> Does anyone have any ideas on this issue?

I LOVE pigment inks for letterboxing in hot, dry outdoors conditions. Stamping into a
letterbox in the desert on a windy day with dye ink is impossible. It dries way too fast.
For an excellent description of the different types of ink see:

http://interbug.com/letterboxing/wiki.pl?How_To_Pick_The_Best_Stamp_Pad

Funhog

See, now that's just sort of rude isn't it. I don't mind using
whatever kind of ink you'd like on your own log book- or if you
don't leave a pad, I'll gladly use my own ink. But please don't
dictate what I have to use on my own personal stamp for just this
reason. What a mess.

Sounds like you were a very good sport about it though! You must
not be one of those uptight cpa types. It must not have happened
around April 15...

The Family :)

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "cpascott" letterbox@c...> wrote:
> Ah, yes, we came across a logbook recently with black pages ...
> requiring us to stamp the book with the metallic ink in the
> letterbox. This wasn't a problem except that the metallic ink was
> now all over our personal stamps and it took many stampings with
the
> ink we normally use to get the original color back. :-(
> Unfortunately, the metallic ink was pigment and thus didn't wash
off
> the stamp.
>
> In some cases, however, we've found the metallic inks to be rather
> neat -- and appropriate for the stamp image. They do seem to be
> popular, though!
>
>
> CPAScott
>
>
> --- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "buddyandpigtographer"
> wrote:
> > As long as I have minimal encounters with the metallic inks, I'm
a
> > happy letterboxer.
> >
> > Buddy
> >
> > --- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "cpascott" > letterbox@c...>
> > wrote:
> > > The advantage of using pigment is that it is waterproof. If
you
> > > stamp dye ink in a letterbox's logbook and the logbook gets
wet,
> > > well, goodbye stamp.
> > >
> > > Pigment will take a little longer to dry, but I've found that
it
> > > varies depending on the type of paper.
> > >
> > > CPAScott
> > >
> > > --- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, davyschris@a... wrote:
> > > > The other day I was at the samp store, looking for a pad for
> an
> > > upcoming box.
> > > > I saw one that I thought was absolutely perfect, but the
> woman
> > at
> > > the store
> > > > told me that for letterboxing, pigment pads were a no-no.
She
> > > said they can
> > > > bleed onto the page behind them and they don't dry fast
enough.
> > > >
> > > > Since them, I've been looknig at the pads in the boxes I've
> > found,
> > > and
> > > > they're predominantly pigment. I haven't had any problems
> with
> > > them.
> > > >
> > > > Does anyone have any ideas on this issue?